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Post by Ondskan on Jan 20, 2007 14:11:33 GMT -5
it's up to the person... but i think that's pretty much true... disco is so simple and easy to understand
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Post by Alien on Jan 20, 2007 20:47:47 GMT -5
Children of Bodom and stuff.. And your comment about puking into the mic just shows how little you know what you're talking about. Of course there are bullshit bands like Cannibal Corpse which I don't understand. But I do not listen to that kinda metal. If you would just try bands like Moonsorrow or Opeth you'd MAYBE understand what I'm talking about. For example, Opeth makes totally acoustic guitar ballads and does it better then the bands outside metal scene. Of course they have those really progressive grawling songs as well but half of the shizzle is grawling, half of it is ballad like. And many people, critics as well, have agreeded with the claim that Opeth's singer/songwriter/guitarist has the one of the best voices in all music nowadays.pukin That depends on your definition of pupular I guess. Asking random people you'd have a tough time finding anyone who has heard of "Children of Bodom". And while I know many dudes who enjoy Alexi wanking his guitar, there certainly aren't more than those who worshipped Iron Maiden etc. before that. I don't think metal is more popular now than before. Maybe if you go back more than twenty years - it's a pretty new genre after all. And I agree that Mikael Åkerfeldt has a lovely voice. If only he could write coherent music as well!
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Post by Vajukki on Jan 21, 2007 6:20:00 GMT -5
I understand your opinion on popularity as we are not living in the same country. But in Finland metal music has grown a lot in 2-3 years. When I started listening to heavier stuff, I actually knew only 2 guys who did so too. Nowadays I have many friends - and few relatives - who have taken the first step to the dark side as some might say :F But I'm 10 steps ahead of them, and as Ondskan said, the metal genre is so wide that I'm still kinda alone.. And everything else ondskan said sounds so familiar to me as well. That fame and popularity thing was one of the main reason I started to listen to heavier stuff as it really was more like an underground genre among people I knew. That's still the reason which drives me finding new unknown band, as more and more of this shit is becoming more and more commercial *cough* CoB *cough* I also have to listen to disco junk BUT I'M FINE WITH IT, THEY ARE MY FRIENDS. I try to be as little a martyr as I can, as if I'd find someone else in a same kind of situation starting to whine about how the music sucks I'd punch him/her in the face. You fucking got to respect other people's music taste. Even as I hate the disco noise, I BUST MOVES LIKE NO TOMORROW. Of course there are occasions when I decide to leave the party only because I'm not drunk, and to listen few epic metal songs on my way home But I never make a fuzz about it.
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Post by Alien on Jan 21, 2007 7:13:39 GMT -5
Can you name some of your favorite bands? I'm curious because many people would posit In Flames as "pretty fucking extreme underground metal" and believe it's them against the world.
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Post by Ondskan on Jan 21, 2007 11:46:09 GMT -5
check the "your fav band/artist" thread...
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Post by Vajukki on Jan 21, 2007 15:30:05 GMT -5
Well those aren't all underground :/ Bands like CoB and Arch Enemy are pretty mainstream nowadays, even though AE has a female singer.. And many, such as Insomnium, have become more known since the day I started to listen to them. IMO these are the most unknown of the list I gave in the Bands You Like topic:
At The Gates - Mainly because band broke 11 years ago Amoral - Will be a big name some day Ajattara - Sings finnish.. Disarmonia Mundi - Italian band Gardenian - Idk if these guys are even together anymore, never heard of them just happen to have their records and love 'em Gojira - French Band Immortal Souls - Christian metal.. Kalmah - Finnish band, I love their first albums.. Getting pretty known as well.. Katatonia - I don't know whats the situation in other Europe but no one likes them in Finland so no one talks about them Moonsorrow - Sings in finnish, excellent band! Mors Principium Est - Finnish band.. I don't know why not known Omnium Gatherum - The most UG after Immortal Souls. Mainly because the singer has so strange voice Pathogen - Australian band The Wake - Finnish band known in Japan but not in finland :F
Sorry for not knowing where you live AL, but I'd like to know where people think In Flames is underground :F
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Post by Ondskan on Jan 21, 2007 15:41:47 GMT -5
AL musta been da viking from norway if i remember correct
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Post by Flauto on Jan 22, 2007 9:03:03 GMT -5
Listening to music because of its status negates the definition of music. If a band is known or unknown should have no effect on one's judgement of a song.
Say I don't like U2's music at all. If I then hear a new U2 song from the radio and happen to like it quite a bit, I can't just say "this sucks" because I hate U2 as a band or stadium rock as a genre. That's moronic band/genre worshipping which has nothing to do with musical values. Many people just find it hard to admit that they may happen to like some Britney Spears hit, because they are marked as metal fans. It's bullshit.
Music can tell something about people's personality but it shouldn't define it.
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Post by Ondskan on Jan 22, 2007 10:29:19 GMT -5
if that was refered to me then you misunderstood what i said.
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Post by Vajukki on Jan 22, 2007 11:38:52 GMT -5
Yes I agree with Onds, Flauto failed to miss the whole point.
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Post by Flauto on Jan 22, 2007 13:13:46 GMT -5
My comment was not directed at anyone specific, but rather something inspired by this thread as there are comments on bands becoming more popular and therefore bad. If you read it again, you'll notice that it supports Onds's very first post in this thread. I have read everything you guys have talked and see that I'm going on to something bit something different, but I do think that my point is related.
I find it somehow self-important that people even examine bands/genres based on their fame. Vajukki here gave a small list and said that nothing else creates the feeling metal music creates and that he's sad that metal music is "in". I dare to challenge you to listen to about 50-100 songs without knowing the band's name, status, anything beforehand. Just the music. I somehow could believe that a few bands that you've really hated before might actually appeal to you.
I used to listen to electronic music only. Nothing else had such a feeling to music than that. Stuff like Coldplay that I heard from the radio was total bullshit and I couldn't listen to it. It wasn't until I repeatedly heard stuff that I liked before knowing what band it was. Those moments are really tough, when you notice you tap the foot on the song's rhythm and it's revealed to be Kaija Koo. Wtf? Now my musical taste has become a lot more varied because I started worshipping the music instead of the genre.
People consciously or unconsciously assure themselves that only this genre has stuff that pleases me. It's pretty much the same that in foods: when you are given something to eat that you have never even heard of, you are very skeptical towards it. After eating enough, you may just as well start liking it. I do not believe in a person who likes only one kind of food and nothing else. Same applies to music. It's all prejudice.
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Post by Vajukki on Jan 22, 2007 14:28:24 GMT -5
FUYCKFRUCKJDGUASDFG I WROTE A FUCKING LONG FUCKING FUCKSTICK REPLY AND MANAGED TO HIT THE X AND CLOSE THE GODDAMN WINDOW
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Post by Flauto on Jan 22, 2007 14:34:31 GMT -5
FUYCKFRUCKJDGUASDFG I WROTE A FUCKING LONG FUCKING FUCKSTICK REPLY AND MANAGED TO HIT THE X AND CLOSE THE GODDAMN WINDOW XD Nice!
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Post by Vajukki on Jan 22, 2007 15:05:03 GMT -5
Anyway fucking typing it again.. First of all I want to say that KAIJA KOO ROXOR ANYONES SOXORS!! So now I get the feeling that I was misunderstood as well.. I never said I hate highly popular music, if I would why would I have listed a band like Metallica in my favourite bands list in the other thread? I, personally wouldn’t even use the words music and hate in same sentence, as I just don’t hate any music. Music taste is an opinion and everyone is allowed to have one. If I’d say I’d hate some particular genre, I’d bash someone’s opinion and that’s not what I seek when discussing about music. I really do not know how much you care about my opinions about my music taste but this conversation is becoming more and more enjoyable as I know you guys respect my point of view no matter what. So you flauto kind of didn’t understand what I meant when I said I’m sad as metal genre is being more and more “in”. Why I said so is because it’s lacking the reasons and certain aspects why I started to listen to metal in the first place. One of the main reasons I prefer metal music are lyrics. Lyrics, which 95% of the people totally ignore, usually because “puking” for example With the primitive “defecation” bands lift the lyrics into a higher level, as you can’t hear everything on the first time, and probably can’t at all without reading the lyrics at the same time. So understanding the message, takes time and concentration. And I like to do something for musical pleasure. And then the message itself, the lyrical feeling in metal music isn’t found from anywhere else. The poetry, together with primitive screaming and long epic melodies creates an atmosphere, which is totally unique every time as it might reflect in a real life situation or something. And why I hate metal being “in”, is that there are nowadays so many Finnish metal bands who only seek fame, and don’t make metal which was used to do only few years ago. I have tried different music styles during my short life, and I selfishly think myself as an “adult” when it comes to music as I’ve experienced so much in so short time. I’ve listen to rap, pop, almost everything but trance, but I didn’t find anything like I found in metal music.
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Post by Flauto on Jan 22, 2007 15:32:07 GMT -5
Okay I got to admit that Kaija Koo was a bad example. Tinakenkätyttö is über. There's nothing I would argue about that since it's an opinion that's properly argumented in my eyes. I also can't start speculating on your experience since it's unknown to me. All I want is for people to at least try new stuff enough so they have something to base their negative (or positive) opinion on. I'm glad to hear you've experimented with different stuff. Okay there is one thing I'd like to know more about: And why I hate metal being “in”, is that there are nowadays so many Finnish metal bands who only seek fame, and don’t make metal which was used to do only few years ago. I believe there's always the bands that go for a big audience and the bands that actually want to stay underground for the sake of making music they specifically like. It's about how hard you seek new bands from the underground. I'm not too aware of Finnish underground metal but at least when reading for example www.desibeli.net there's always some new metal bands being reviewed. How about it?
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